And they will live there the rest of their lives. Why work and earn your way when you can get it for free?

This is a very forward looking solution. Makes me proud to be a North Carolina resident.

please expand for me “solution” It is another handout

will help them capture the vote….look what they did to Bev Perdue….A. Foxx = the new face of NC and all the graf he can bring!

This experiment has been done over and over again. Very few are “homeless”. They are addicts, alcoholics and people with mental illness. A good number of them will leave to wander the streets again. The addicts will steal anything of value for cash. The place will be a wreck in no time because homelessness is a symptom not the disease.

They will ruin this like they did the projects

$30/ night? That’s $900/month; an efficiency apartment for $900/month?

Let’s see, the article says the “homeless” are paying 30% of their income towards this $900/month rent. That comes to an income of $36K/year.

Why is someone making $36K annually receiving a single lick of public assistance?

Let’s see. Food stamps. Check. Free housing. Check. Free medical care. Check. Hey, sign me up.

Where exactly did you learn how to do math? I have no idea how you get to $36K/year. Even if person A paid all $900/mo, then at 30% of income person A is making 2700/mo * 12 mo/yr = $32400/year.

The 30% the homeless are paying is 30% of their income, so $1 for every $3 they make. This does not need to total $900/mo. You and I are paying the rest.

30% of their income? What income? They’re homeless already – what income can they have? I agree it’s a terrible situation to find yourself in but job training and instructions on managing their money is something you get in high school – not from the nanny state. Who’s paying for the doctor and nurse to be their? And the medication? What we need is a President and Congress who know how the free market works and get Americans back to work! That’ll do more to help the homeless than 85 beds in a ‘program’ house.

Time to hop that freight to CHARLOTTE baby!

It’s called “permanent supportive housing” and ends up saving taxpayers far more in the long-term than the constant cycle of incarceration-crime-judicial system-rehab-streets. Plus, it’s proven to get many people back on their feet in a way homeless shelters never can accomplish. Look at Denver which has pioneered the model to great success.

It’s better understand what you’re talking about than being flippant jerks. Not every solution is a NO. This is a help up, not a hand out. Very Christian and very effective.

income comes from govco and gets recycled right back! It’s not earnings in the pure sense where these people are actually going out and working….you are awesome with math…just turn up the common sense>

These people should be given bus fare out of the state instead of free housing. 30% of nothing is nothing.

Within a year they will be closed down for some sort of corruption. Just wait.

900/0.3 = 3000. 3000*12=36000
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For the chronically homeless, it is cheaper to houe them. Read Malcom Gladwell’s “What the Dog Saw” – full details in there. Basically, it comes down to this:

The chronically homeless impose a huge burden on hospitals, police, emergency services. In Gladwell’s example: a homeless drunk falls down on street, bangs head, gets concussion, vomits, aspirates his vomit, and gets pneumonia from vomit in his lungs. He is hospitalized in intensive care for weeks. He consumes huge amounts of very expensive and scarce medical care $$$.

Take that same drunk, give him an apartment, and he can mostly manage to funciton and not harm himself. And we, society, can pay about $50k per year instead of $500k.

This goes against EVERYTHING we think about our notions of rewarding good behavior and punihsing bad behavior. It goes against our “help people get off welfare and become self-sufficient” goals.

But these people will NEVER be self sufficient. They are not like the episodically homeless, who kinda come and go in and out every few years. Or the sudden homeless, done in by a job loss, medical expenses, etc. Those people can be helped.

These people WILL never be self-sufficient, productive citizens. As maddening as it may seem, providing them an apartment is far cheaper than them living on the streets. We don’t like writing people off as unfixable, and we don’t like appearing to reward bad behavior. The good news is, this actually works. They are housed, they live, they can be a little bit productive. But they will always be our burden – this way, just a smaller one.

I’d bet the farm, and a few other things, that within five years this apartment complex will be in such bad shape that it will be all but uninhabitable, just like every other public housing project that has been put up.

When will the left ever learn?

Or you could let them expire on the street, cart away the carcass and toss it in a hole for $500.00.

This world has too many people, the human race is being watered down by the preservation of the weak seed. The weak seed is now spreading at the expense of the strong seed.

Harsh, but true.

Oh yes, let us give them all the freebees that they want and that the monster Obama wants us to give them. Just charge the tax payer for more and more.

More evidence that liberalism is a mental disorder that renders the afflicted incapable of common sense arguments or solutions. Ten years ago Seattle built apartments where alcoholics could drink to their hearts content – getting them off the street so they wouldn’t be visible to the public. How did it work out? The number of alcoholics on the street increased as more of them were attracted to immigrate to Seattle from other cities. Once again the taxpayers lost from government trying to treat the symptom (alcoholics visible on the street) rather than provide a solution to the problem through counseling, proper nutrition, job training, and tough love that refuses to support their destructive lifestyle.

Sorry, I broke the tables in my previous post and the % did not appear after the infinite 3′s. Philosophical question, how can you put the % sign at the end of the infinite 3′s? There is no end. Anyway…

0.3 = 30% = 3/10
$1 for every $3 = 0.3333inf = 1/3
They said 30%, not 1/3. Subtle difference means $3,600 difference in pay.
And yes, the homeless are not earning this. Taxpayers…

It’s like an acquaintence of mine. He fantasizes about starting a business to give jobs to ex cons and then helping them buy a home. It’s a warm fuzzy fantasy but one great king said, “Don’t waste your time on fantasies.” Get a dream, then work, then if your’re succesful in your endeavor you can hire some thieves to steal it from you. (or help get them elected)

“The $10 million cost came primarily from private funds.”

It may be a handout, but it is primarily a handout from people who volunteered to pay for it, and not tax dollars. That’s the way it is supposed to be.

Whew, sure is a relief that nothing can POSSIBLY go wrong here… The residents will discover that the buying power of the complex will allow big volume discounts on bulk shipments of crack in 5…4…3…

This is only a dry run for what the socialists plan for all of us.

Little condos with counselors and a nurse on site.

There will be guards at the door for our protection.

All of our needs will be met.

Big Brother will decide what our needs are.

NEVER, for what empathy they feel towards the down-trodden is greater than their sense of reason. They’re like hoarders – MENTALLY ILL.

One year from now that place will look like a ghetto.
The cops will be there every week.
Putting 85 bums all in one place can lead to no good.

why can’t the government just kill the homeless and harvest their organs?

Because most of these people are either mentally disturbed or sick or are on disability. They don’t get it “for free”. they pay 30 % of their income. Im one of these people myself, I have multiple health and mental issues that prevent me from working. What am I supposed to do, die? USA has spend 1 trillion dollars so far on so called ‘wars” in Afghanistan and Iraq, is that justifiable too?

$10 million for 85 efficency apts..? i smell a Demorat in the woodpile somewhere

You’re wasting electrons trying to explain how positive social programs work to right-wingers, all they see are BUMS taking up ‘their’ tax dollars, not human beings who in most cases have no other options or support structure to help them become productive or at least non-destructive members of society.

“…85 efficiency apartments and on-site support services…”

You don’t expect them to take care of themselves too, do you?

For pickled organs?

Senior citizens should get such a deal. Have you seen what they charge for assisted senior living?

Did you actually bother to read what you wrote and understand what it means? I am apalled because I believe you are serious. Look up the word Eugenics sometime, follow that closely by studying Nazi Germany. I for one would rather die than allow your vision of inhumanity to my fellow man come to pass. Is it fair or right that these people (because that’s what we are talking about NOT ANIMALS) should be given a ‘free ride’, NO but neither is it right that they have mental/emotional/addiction problems to deal with and before you say that those things are just an excuse I’m here to tell you that you are WRONG, they do exist and they are real and they are NOT just and excuse.

+1

Yep, 100% right, yet I’m willing to bet that 90 percent of those making such comments also whine about ALL social programs and vote ‘conservative’ candidates into office who want to cut or do away with such programs as medicare and Social Security altogether.

If it actually STAYS PRIVATE, I’d be ok with it. What are the chances of that? $30 a day is a lot of money.

Nonsense. Aside from the fact this is supposedly mostly paid for out of private funds, you apparently don’t think that anything can exist without government control.

I’m a conservative, but I think this is a good and decent thing. For one thing I read, it stated that they would train them in jobs. That will give a person dignity. Like it or not, people do get ill and get mentally ill. It can happen to any of us. Have mercy, folks. If they can get trained at jobs and gain strength, that is wonderful! I’m all for it.

The US has spent a HELL of a lot more than that in failed “stimulus” spending like the 2009 $869B “stimulus” bill that was to keep unemployment from going above 8% and went to failed big green energy companies like Solyndra. Oh, and how about all them “shovel ready jobs” there ace, HUH???????????

Yes please, and hurry up before you ask for another cent. I grew up in a horrific family environment. I work two jobs and put myself through school, with no government aid. I do this simply out of pride in myself. Everyday I battle with depression but have never asked for a handout. You are a bum

Yup, 30% of zero dollars per month in income is zero dollars. So in other words, they probably aren’t paying anything.

What mercy? “The $10 million cost came primarily from private funds”

But many may be people who will but can’t, while many who take advantage won’t necessarily be ‘into’ dignity.

The comments here are based on real world experience, but perhaps overly generalized.

Well based on past performance, I don’t know why anyone would expect much from a weflare program. Look at LBJ’s great soceity. It pretty much created the 70% black illegitmacy rate. It did more harm than good. The solution is faith-based private charities doing this work. The article mentioned that this was mostly privately funded. It should all be privately funded and run by a strong faith based group. I can support that.

How self-righteous can you be calling yourself “progressive thinker.” A person who calls themself that is most likely neither. And it sounds like Robert wants substandard medical care for these people. I kinda doubt that having an apartment to drink in will make them less likely to fall and have to be taken to the hospital…

Robert and regressive non-thinker, what would you say if i wanted to build one of these apartment complexes for the homeless at the end of your street and next to your child’s school? Can you support that?

To the left, the term success refers to their supposedly good intentions, not the actual result. The actual result of anything designed or created by the left is always disastrous. Just look at the housing projects in any city in America. You see people living in squalor, caged behind wrought iron fences like animals. It’s the modern-day slavery, and it’s the true legacy of the democrat party.

If Odumma gets re-selected, they’re going to need to build many more of these. God help us.

One political party is trying to make social security and medicare financially solvent. The other political party is playing games with the funding for social security by giving payroll tax cuts that will drastically reduce the amount of money for social secruity benefits in the future. Which party do you support, regressive unthinker?

Where exactly did YOU learn how to do math?
1/3 = 1/3
= 3/9
≠ 3/10 Q.E.D.

You can bet when the Dems hit Charlotte in August for their convention, this place will get some TV time. But when the head of the “Community” figures out they need more money to operate, they’ll come looking to you Charlotte taxpayers, you North Carolina taxpayers and all of USA taxpayers. Obama loves to spend money on “helping” people and “helping” himself & his friends.

Great! I was so happy to see this news! Especially having come back from my bank draining my account and issuing a cashier’s check payable to the NC State Dept. of Revenue for $7,761.00 for 2010 taxes and now have found we owe them $10,151.00 for 2011. I’m so glad the money is being so well spent. Do you catch the sarcasm here? Catch a hint NC before your patrons leave like us and are you are left with only homeless people paying 30% for subsidized rent with no employers or tax payers to get stuck with the other 70%. We are moving to TN in 1 year. What a waste! My wife and I love this state of NC but don’t understand why our taxes are equal to our mortgage payment. Gosh, it sure would be nice to spend the money on our home and support the local economy instead! Go NC, Mecklenburg County and all your decision makers who believe you know how to spend our money better than we do.

$30 a night? That sounds to me like $900 a month, for a two-room apartment in North Carolina. Sounds like a bill the taxpayers are going to end up paying.

Ok, really. They can house someone for $30 a night. That is $930 a month. About the cost of a luxury apartment in the Charlotte area, Do they think we can not add, subtract, multiply or divide. I guess they think the people of NC, are just stupid.

Check it out, for that kind of money you can get an apartment in the uptown area with swimming pool, close to the football stadium down near the banking district.

What’s 30% of nothing?

That’s what is known as “for free”, you malingerer.

“What am I supposed to do, die?” Given the alternative of taxpayers like me supporting you, yes, by all means, join the choir invisible. Please.

Richard Henkle said, “Where exactly did you learn how to do math?”

School.

Heard of it?

“The 30% the homeless are paying is 30% of their income”

Yeah.

And, since 30% of their income goes to the rent – has to be their monthly income, or it’s not a valid comparison;

900 / 0.3 = 3,000 * 12 = 36000.

KILL THEM—-NO MORE TAX MONEY for LOSERS!!!!!

Progressive Thinker said, “Look up the word Eugenics sometime”

You look it up. Eugenics programs started in the US and Britain.

The important part was that the 10 million came from private funds…not our taxpayers pockets. This is a great solution…if it works. It gets the homeless of the streets. S. Fran and Wash. DC should do something like this program…it’s gotten too dangerous to walk the streets and parks in those cities.

Worth $900 per month, but it’s free?

Who said there’s no free lunch — and free breakfast, and dinner, and flat-screen, and room service, and…

Denver? I work for a company in Denver and go there once a month. Our offices are one block from 16th St. 16th ST and the surrounding area is packed with panhandlers. Its a pain to walk around there with all the people begging for a handout. I walk out the door of the hotel and immediately get hit up for a burger or spare change. You don’t want downtown Charlotte to have the same homeless population as downtown Denver. There is a guy called “Robot Steve” who dresses up as a robot and tells jokes. I gave him $5 after he delivered three zingers on my co-worker for dressing like a duche.

Of course, since they are chronically homeless, they will immediately move out.

90% of Mexico’s population would be better off in that facility and 99% of Haiti;s population would cut off a thumb to get in. I understand the compasion but this is a very bad idea. Do you have to be a citizen? Do you get drug tested? Are felons,child molestors,sex offenders welcome? Do you get cable,WiFI? Where does it end? Charlotte will become a magnet for con artists,crazies and slackers.
Good luck.

“The homeless pay 30% of the cost.” Yea, right. Where does a broke-down hemeless drunken wino get that much money?
Back to the cardboard house in the woods.

Fort Lauderdale does exactly that. Next stop Charlotte NC.
Thanks for the heads up Charlotte

You’re apparently PROUD to be an IDIOT?!

Yes I agree. If you can’t pick yourself up and do what has to be done then die. Get out of our way.

Obamaville.

Pimarily means 51%.

It already is. Check out North Tryon Street at about 10th street, and the old Seaboard station. That whole area is inundated in homeless. 65 aptartments isn’t even a drop in the bucket.

Well, I’m optimistic about this program. I’m certain the residents will be happy to pitch in and do rudimentary chores, weeding, cleaning, painting, etc. in partial payment for this very generous arrangement, to help offset costs. Its success will surely become a model for similar arrangements elsewhere and provide a clear example of how progressive utopias can work. RIght? Let’s check back a year from now and see how it went.

The mentally ill need long-term care. This is a Rip-off of the US Treasury through SSI by the Money Grubbers who thought it up.

Sixty plus years ago we put the terminally dysfunctional for whatever reason in institutions. There they were housed, clothed, fed, and medicated. They had medical treatment and there was the possibility of a return to society. Now we allow these folks to live under bridges, populate, procreate and become more of a problem on society because of some notion institutionalizing the mentally disabled was unjust. Taking the habitual drug abuser and putting them into a controlled environment was outrageous. So how much better for them has the new world order become? I posit nowhere near what it used to be.

Whew and just in time for the Democratic Convention. That was lucky. It was just luck, right? Transparent socialist garbage.

It’s time to take back America.

http://www.zazzle.com/FirstPrinciples?rf=238518351914519699

Exactly, my sister has lived in group homes. The owners are mostly Money Grubbing scoundrels who treat the residents like inmates. Just like most Foster Parents.

Wow. Never knew North Carolina had so many small minded people in it. All you tiny brained folks who think that your (state income) tax dollars pay for services need to get a grip. Your state along with the other 49 states in Obama-Land have 2 sets of books (Google CAFR). Ever seen the REAL audit of your states income. I thought not. Trust me, homeless folks are not sucking up your tax funds, it is going straight into the pockets of folks like Romney and the goons at the IRS. The IRS is just the collection arm of the Federal Reserve (Not federal and has no reserves). The Federal Reserve is a PRIVATE cartel of banks! Do some homework and you will find out that projects like the one in the article are not causing the problem. It is the BANKSTERS who are causing the problem. I know all you small minded, gun toting, Rush Limbaugh loving, six pack drinking fools think that homeless people are losers, but in reality, it is YOU who are the LOSER. Have a nice day!

As long as they are feeding off the taxpayer, never. You can rest assured that’s the case, here. It’s SSI (US Treasury) who is going to get hosed.

Actually, PT, Eugenics was begun by activists like Margaret Sanger (who started Planned Parenthood) based on her eugenics philosophy of weeding out “undesirables” from society. This have provided the impetus for the whole abortion movement in the US. If you were consistent, you would support this as an extension of abortion on demand. Surely, you don’t have a problem with abortion on demand, do you?

Is this a great country, or what!

Some of those homeless are actual victims of the banksters, ponzi scheme directors (lobbyists and politicians), and ponzi scheme lawmakers, (house, senate, congress, and a non vetoing president) Who will never let things work, unless they get paid first. THE GOVERNMENT WARNED OF SHUTTING DOWN SINCE 2010, since then; they ALL HAVE PUSHED STOP GAP MEASURES TO KEEP IT RUNNING, EVEN IF IT CANT! This is what Germany did with the MARK, it was inflated beyond control of the financial power and the german socialists/communists. It isn’t going to change, unless they all resign, and they won’t, until we physically throw them out (REVOLT), which we aren’t going to do, because no one want to get shot! Last of all, those who believe in owning guns are buying them in record numbers, but will eventually give them back, like the brits who have previously claimed freedom is what they have? Sucks, in chess, it’s called stalemate.

Another liberal

Years ago when I was in graduate school, I had the opportunity to meet the Dean’s son who was severely disabled with cerebral palsy. His disability was so severe that he could not talk, feed himself. He was unable to tend to basic hygiene needs & was confined to a wheelchair during his every waking hour. For years, no one knew anything about his intelligence until they discovered that he had a fondness for computers. He went to school & learned programming skills, including typing with one finger. With poor motor control, he made many mistakes, & it was painful to watch him form words on the computer when conversing with others. Nevertheless, he so impressed others with his abilities that he obtained a job as a programmer for an international company in the North East. Even so, his mother had to go to his job daily & to feed him & help him with basic hygiene needs.

You are obviously capable of certain skills since you are corresponding on this web-post. How is it that you are unable to hold a job & contribute to society? Can you not even bag groceries at the local Harris Teeter or flip burgers at McDonald’s?

Exactly

Watch the Andy Griffith Show where Buddy Ebson played the bum. They don’t intend to work. This is a racket. Maybe the Mafia put up the funds. 900 x85x12= $918,000.00 year. Mentally ill need to be in a long-term facility. If not, get out of town. Andy was right.

It’s the brain-child of a guy from New York City. They have all the answers and will be the first to tell you so!

It said Primarily. $5,000,001 qualifies. The guy is from New York, it didn’t say whether he’s Mafia also. There’s a lot of Medicaid scamming being run by the Russian Mafia.

Question: What’s 30% of ZERO?

“multiple health and mental issues”

You do realize blind people, paralyzed people, and people with major depression get up and go to jobs every day, right?

I have MS, thyroid problems, arthritis, and chronic digestive issues. I have never taken a penny from taxpayers. I work in the hot sun for myself.. It isn’t “fun”. So what?

What are you supposed to do? How about push through discomfort like others do and overcome, rather than watch TV while the rest of us are at work.

Exactly! My mentally ill sister was tossed out of an institution and placed in group homes. Most owners are Crooks. Orphanages were better than Foster Parents, as well.
The money saved by closing these facilities was kicked back to well connected donors, the taxpayers were shafted, in more ways than one.

The ‘gal’ worked in a similar facility in NY.
Now we know why they all move down here, the taxes for such nonsense are unaffordable.

Exactly! I did a study in college on homelessness, because of my interest in homelessness, for I had been homeless, off and on, for about 10 yrs. when I was in my 20s. Anyway, from the many studies I researched, I found out the obvious; that the cities with the biggest problems with homelessness were the cities that offered the homeless the most services e.g., food, shelter, etc. And, the cities with the least problems with homeless offered the least services.
To make a long story short, I got on my feet when the “doors” began closing, and I had nowhere to turn to for help–except to the Lord. It was Jesus that got me off of alchold and off the strreets.
Nevertheless, I do understand that you cannot generalize the issue of homelessness, but the liberals have always claimed homelessness was due to Reganomics, and/or the trickle down effect. But, after I got off the streets, I volunteered and eventually worked with the homeless in the Washington DC metro area, and validated what i already knew–that most of the homeless had problems with alcohol and drugs; not becuase they lost their job. In the 5 yrs. of working in a mission in the DC area, I believe I only met one person who used the services of the mission, who did not have a problem with either alcohol or drugs. But, I still wish the best for those who are homeless and hope you will find Jesus. My life started to change when I actuallly started to put into practice what I learned in the Bible. I’m sorry if this comment of mine really gets the liberals mad.

There’s some “OCCUPY” people here

kookoo kookoo. Are you a member of the Nation of Islam? You sound as nuts as they are …