You said it all Larz

I actually choose to believe you are on to something, MORDECHAI…Quantum Physics has influenced my belief system in this regard…who says religion and science have to be at odds? )

@Sheila: not the Catholic Church despite the propaganda. The Church is actually one of the biggest supporters of scientific study (provided that study does not involve the calculated killing of people/innocents) Pope John Paul II wrote a letter on the topic of faith and reason (Fides et Ratio) which can be found at the Vatican website for free reading, if interested

I don’t see that all have eternal life from the Bible. The Bible clearly states that the wages of sin is death, but the “GIFT” of God is eternal life. The disciples understood that this only comes through Jesus. “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life”. God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not PERISH, but have eternal life. So, I see that there are two paths, one leads to death, the other to eternal life. To top it off, in 1st Timothy 6, it is stated that God alone is immortal. Any immortality we may have is conferred upon us, as a gift, from God, at the pleasure of his Son.

@JamesB PFFFTT

Life doesn’t begin at conception. It’s eternal.

The idea of eternal is something which has no beginning and no end. Human beings are finite creatures that have a beginning. Not even the universe is eternal, for there was a time that it did not exist. There was a time that nothing existed except God. EVen nothing did not exist. Eternal life is not inherit in creatures. Only God has life in Himself. Human life is given by God and sustained by God. Eternal life is fellowship with the Father and the Son.

lol
Eternal life, really ? You have to be kidding
Someone dies and thats what you say, what a waste of comment not to mention someones life

You people are just sick thinking that some sky daddy killed this woman and youre all ok with it. This is vile and disgusting, its a waste of what life is

The REAL STORY has nothing to do with God rather how this girl is a victim of the vaccination schedule.

Ian and Jeff:

Please remember to make jokes and laugh it up the next time a beloved member or friend of your family dies, especially if they are as young as Ariane.
I’m sure your families are very proud of you two.

I know I will, JPR! Take the stick out of your arse, pal.

Maybe the lesson here is that GOD DOES NOT EXIST!! Wake up people!!

OK andy you think about that while you’re burning in hell.. WAKE UP DUMB ASS

Andy, could you please not bash other peoples religions online? It gives your athiest community a very bad name.

That being said, JESUS IS LORD, REPENT AND ACCEPT HE IS LORD AND YOU SHALL BE SAVED, IGNORE HIM AND YOU SHALL BE CAST INTO HELL.

You are allowed to jam your religion down our throats, but the non-believers must remain quiet, right?

I like reading replies by atheists. they are amusing.
They assume to understand the Bible,
assume to understand the beginnings of the universe,
assume that since they hold their particular religious conviction that everyone else is stupid
They assume a scientific perspective for a philosphical question.
They assume a great many things, and provide hours of amusement

Heston, the irony in your comment is so glaring it MUST be a joke. Good One!

Here’s an article about the existence of God:

http://askanangryjew.com/god/

@Smuggler:

Freedom OF religion. Not ‘from’ it.

Why would an athist even bother to read an artical like this?

I enjoy reading the comments about atheists written by Bible thumpers…they are amusing. All an atheist is is somebody who doesn’t believe the way you do, that’s it. They don’t have a set agenda, and, believe it or not, they aren’t anti-Christians. They just don’t believe what you believe. It’s too bad Christians can’t “hang” with the fact that other people believe differently than they do. I wonder what Jesus would say about tolerating other people?

And Jack, “athists” read “articals” like this because they find religious hubris amusing.

T-Dog slobbered the following “I enjoy reading the comments about atheists written by Bible thumpers…they are amusing”.

T-Dog, it’s people like you that make believe that there really IS a thing as an azzklown. Why do you leftist pimples always call anyone that is a Christian a ‘bible thumper”. Do you call Muslims “Koran thumpers”? Of course you don’t – you don’t have the stones to criticize anyone that is part of your moronic agenda anyway.

Let’s read some more of T-Dog’s blubbering:

“All an atheist is is somebody who doesn’t believe the way you do, that’s it. They don’t have a set agenda, and, believe it or not, they aren’t anti-Christians. They just don’t believe what you believe. It’s too bad Christians can’t “hang” with the fact that other people believe differently than they do”.

Really, T-dog? REALLY?

An atheist doesn’t believe the way “we” do? Duh!

And they DON’T HAVE A SET AGENDA?

Danger, Will Robinson! Azzklown Alert! Azzklown Alert!

T-dog, atheists DO have an agenda, and that agenda is to make sure no one expresses their religious, excuse me, CHRISTIAN beliefs publicly. The more fanatical of your ilk go through the country legally attacking anything Christian anywhere.

Let’s finish this up – you’re so easy to slap around:

“I wonder what Jesus would say about tolerating other people?”

He would, but he not only would teach that the people should believe in God…

He would also find people of your ilk very, very trying…..

Maybe people don’t exist to give other people lessons in life.

Wow, what’s with all the hateful Christians here?

Maybe the lesson here is GET A CHECK UP once in a while, oh and stuff happens, oh one last lesson to be learned, if a god did this ITS EVIL

Very true, we need to connect to God now. When Mattie Stepanek, peace maker, died at a very young age, I was very sad – the whole world was very sad. I had hoped that God would cure him and when I went to Mass to receive Jesus and commune with Him, I whispered to HIm in my soul, “Surely, this soul went straight to heaven, Lord”. During the Mass when the Hosannas ring high to heaven and the words were spoken, “Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!”, God opened a vision in my mind of Mattie in the arms of Jesus enjoying a ride on the donkey. He was very content. Later that week when Mattie’s funeral began I heard on the news that the casket was carried on a firetruck, just as Mattie would have loved it to be. Then I realized that the vision God allowed me to see was really Mattie with Jesus and I just smile. Yes, that definitely was Mattie. He was in heaven enjoying his life in heaven and Jesus was his greatest joy.
Some of us in this life want to search for God and some of us don’t. Either way, God exists. If our desire on earth is to be in heaven with God how much greater is God’s desire for us to be with Him?

And her faith saved her from eternal death.

John_B No it didn’t. Her faith did nothing, no more than any other god’s worshipper did a thing to help themselves after death.

We all have the same thing happen after death – nothing. sorry about reality, it has a way of happening no matter what you want.

Kate, unless you have been there, your view is just a “hope” that there is nothing beyond the grave. Because if there is, this young woman will live in eternal bliss and you will live with eternal judgement.

JKN – how do u know? serious question, btw. im not sure what i believe, so im open to being convinced

i mean KATE…not JKN

READ THE BIBLE AND GROW UP YOU JUST MIGHT LEARN SOMETHING IF YOURE CAPABLE

kate your extremely stupid and ignorant. you better be careful about misleading people especially when you have no idea what you’re talking about. yeah keep looking at just whats at the surface. you better wake up before its too late.

I keep waiting to come upon a Rolex just buried in the dirt that by shear accident formed that exact way right there, but I never will because a watch of that magnitude or any for that matter has a designer and was created that exact way for a reason just as we have a designer and were created the way we are for a reason.

Which god? I doubt any of the “believers” here believe 98% (give or take) of the “dead” gods of our past…

The only difference between an Atheist and a Theist is the one god that they believe…you discount all the others.

I also find it rather disgusting that people here are treating life like it’s just another expendable resource.

Remember what life was like before you were born? Oh wait, that’s a nonsensical question. You didn’t exist. Same as after you die. It’s pretty intuitive with you use reason instead of iron age myths.

There is so much evidence for reincarnation -little kids talking about their past lives and knowing facts that they could not otherwise know. Don’t assume life is over when your body dies.

jblaize – the very heart of Christianity is determining for yourself, was Jesus, God? The man – Jesus: it is easy to find proof (other than the Bible) he was a real man from history, and that he died on a cross. The question you must answer is, did that man really get up out of the grave 3 days later? If He did, He was no man, He was God, doesn’t matter if it happened 2 days ago, or 2,000 years ago. How do you find proof? Look at the evidence that still exists today: take a serious look at the earth, could a random explosion really produce it? Use logic, the odds of that happening are longer than 1 person winning every lottery on earth on the same day. Moral laws; if we evolved (Darwin) the only rule that works is the strong survive, but everyone in the world thinks torturing children is bad. Where did that come from, a “moral law giver”. What about not being able to see “the invisible force in the sky”, you cant see gravity either, doesn’t make it less of a force. The Bible is 30% prophecy (God telling the future) of that 30% – 80% has been fulfilled exactly as God stated, including the fact Israel would again become a nation as happened in 1948 (Ezra made this prophecy over 3,000 years prior) No other religious book can make this claim of prophecy. You are asking the question because God put the question in every human heart (Ecclesiastes 3:11 – “he has set eternity in the hearts of men”). jblaize – download the audio book from i-tunes Mere Christianity ($5) (get the Geoffry Howard reading), by C.S Lewis (Chronicles of Narnia guy), or pick up the book. The first 4 books of the New Testament are the 4 Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, John), they are just 4 guys, each wrote a biography of Jesus… that is all they are, just the story of the life of Jesus, birth until death… Mark is the fastest, John the most emotional… read one. Pray (it’s not superstition, God listens, there is no special language or format, just talk to him like he is a regular guy with HUGE power and smarts) to God to reveal himself to you, but do it from your heart. Finally find a good church, one that only teaches from the Bible (meaning non-denominational… not Catholic, or Episcopal, or Lutheran…) James Macdonald (Walk in the Word) has a good network of Churches, or Calvary Chapel.com has a great network of Churches (if neither of those 2 has a church near you, call them and ask if they will help you find a church that teaches and preaches close to your home). Just like God exists in the supernatural world, so does the devil, he is real. The devil doesn’t have to turn you into a bank robber to get you into hell, he just has to create enough distractions to keep your eye off of God. Because the one way into heaven is not through “living a good life”, or doing more good things than bad things… it is through believing Jesus was/is God, then asking him for forgiveness for past sins, and repenting (changing the way you have lived in the past). Then start living without fear (this truly happens).

Ah dfgsd spew that hatred for anyone that doesn’t believe exactly what you do! that is the core of any religion – persecute and destroy anyone that doesn’t follow exactly what you do.

JES whined the following illogical idiocy: “Ah dfgsd spew that hatred for anyone that doesn’t believe exactly what you do! that is the core of any religion – persecute and destroy anyone that doesn’t follow exactly what you do”.

Ummm… exactly whom are you talking about?

We’re speaking of Christianity, not Islam. Haven’t seen many Christians fly planes into buildings or blow themselves up recently.

And Christians aren’t normally left wing lying liberals (sorry if this gets too close to home for you), who PERSECUTE AND DESTROY ANYONE WHO DOESN’T FOLLOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY DO.

Take your idiocy to the Media Matters or New York Times websites. They will embrace your senseless babble there.

I call Poe.

And how do YOU know she is not?

Bald Kirby – please explain how consciousness survives death. Explain how emotions are created without a brain.
What isn’t provable or even realistic is the claim that consciousness survives death and no thesis that explains the properties of this claim such as where the consciousness is stored, how perception is attained without eyes, optic nerves, corneas, eardrums, cochleas, neurotransmitters. dendrites. How locomotion is acheived without a body and how cognition is acheived without a brain.
The thing about simple minded beliefs of an afterlife is that they are NOT thought through or explained at all in any way shape or form.
That is the problem with willful ignorances based on intellectual laziness.

of course my comment on your comment takes the prize for most boring

TinTin – I have just outbored you.

A sharp barb — you made me laugh.

Our wishes for their emotional healing, our support, our outreach to them and our sympathy. My hope is that the community can do something for her family – something real, something they can see and feel and appreciate, something that can actually help them with their grief. Praying to a being for which there’s no evidence does not fit the bill. By all means, if you believe in such things, do it – but don’t think it’s a replacement for actually helping these poor people. My heart goes out to them. I’ll be sending them a comforting note and basket of flowers. It’s the least I can do.

If the family shares the faith that Ariane Patterson has shown, they will be praying for you as well. Faith is just that. Keep seeking the truth and you will find it, your heart is in the right place Shells.

Apparently Shells is unaware that people who are religious are happier, more generous to others, and live longer than non-religious people. The family probably isn’t looking for sympathy from someone who associates religion with something that is “not real.” Science shows religion and it’s positive outcomes are very real.

Heaven is a myth.

@Zeke – You need to think in more than 3 dimensions…

Heaven is a myth? Really? Jesus mentioned it often. That would be the same Jesus who claimed to be God, predicted His death and resurrection… and then carried out His resurrection. So… I have heaven’s existence on the authority of the Creator of heaven and earth. On whose authority do you claim it’s a myth?

@Sam Imam
Can you provide evidence of your statements or just enjoy writing garbage?

Faith is belief without knowledge. You don’t ‘know’ anything, you just wish real hard for it to be real. Who says this wasn’t Thor’s will? After all, he’s got a hammer, and your god was nailed to a cross.

Rob, how do you know that God gives you the strength? I have strength on my own without God and I have some measure of peace attained through meditation.

So if life and death is gods will does that mean murderers are just gods puppets fullfilling his will? The ggod christian against abortion are they fullfilling gods will or is the person performing the abortion If life and death and when it happens is all gods will how do you know who is right and wrong ? what gives you the autority over other to saay so. Is it good will to bring life to millions of African kids just for them to die live a short suffering, starving life. Seriously Think about that. I bet you still come up with some insane explination To justify these things to yourself

So if life and death is god’s will does that mean murderers are just gods puppets fulfilling his will? The good Christian against abortion are they fulfilling gods will or is the person performing the abortion If life and death and when it happens is all god’s will how do you know who is right and wrong ? what gives you the authority over other to say so. Is it god’s will to bring life to millions of African kids just for them to live a short suffering, starving life? Seriously? Think about that. I bet you still come up with some insane explanation To justify these things to yourself.

Yes, and Mohammad flew to the Dome of the Rock on a winged horse, and Joseph Smith dug up golden plates, and Zeus impregnated a girl by raining on her. Stories, even once they’re written down and passed along for many years, are not evidence. And many of these stories had alleged witnesses, too. If your argument can be easily turned around to support a mutually contradictory position (i.e. another religion) then it’s not a good argument.

Epicar, wake up. Apples to oranges. You can take historical facts and turn them around to support anything you want. Doesn’t change the facts. Only a fool ignores history.

@Jeff
No, only a fool props up myth as fact.

Those other creation stories are just as “viable” as your.

Funny how there’s no archaeological evidence to support your claim that a magic jew was cloning fish, healing various diseases, zombifying and flying up to an undetermined location in the vacuum of space to “heaven”.

There’s also no contemporary scholarship referring to”Jesus” either…sorry, but you have your work cut out for you if you want to dig of evidence for this…

If the world’s incredible, beautiful complexity is evidence for a God, are smallpox and earthquakes and AIDS evidence against it? Look at the universe. There are undoubtedly complex and wonderful things, but there are also galaxies tearing themselves apart and horrible diseases and destruction and death. The universe is a mix of the beautiful and the ugly. You don’t get to look at one side and proclaim it’s evidence of a higher power without treating the other side the same way.

Also, the idea that God arose on its own is ludicrous on its face. Look, there has to be one thing that’s uncreated. God can be, or the universe can be. And the existence of the universe is uncontestable. Therefore, by Occam’s Razor, we don’t need to assume God until there’s some other kind of evidence. And good luck providing that – people have been trying for thousands of years and failing.

Epicar, your biblical illiteracy is appalling. Sin (by man) entered the picture and marred God’s original ‘very good’ creation. Also, when you define God correctly, your confusion will vanish. By definition, God has no beginning, therefore He needs no cause.

I 100% agree with Epicar.

To have good, one must have ‘un-good’ to compare it with, or one cannot tell if something is good or not good. If there were no opposites, it would just ‘be’, and nothing to gauge intensity or brightness of spirit with. Opposites are a necessary part of the universe, and it all is tied into our having freedom of choice, and accountability for our choices. IF we have to have freedom of choice, -and we do, to be in accordance with the plan laid out for us in the collection of books called the Bible, and in logic itself, then we must be able to choose either good or bad, up or down, right or wrong, high or low, evil or fineness of character. Therefore, opposites MUST exist.

There are perfectly logical explanations for how most things came to be nowadays. There’s no need anymore to go around attributing things to the supernatural when we can just observe what is in front of us.

As Douglas Adams said, “Isn’t it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?”

There has not been evidence of a god in the 13,700,000,000 years the universe has existed. But hey, maybe we’ll find it tomorrow! LMFAO

Don’t you mean Jebus?? That’s who Homer Simpson worships, and you sound like him.

If you would take the time to research it yourself, you will see that there is plenty of evidence. A good starting point is the book, “Evidence that demands a verdict”. I’ll send you a free copy if you tell me where to send it.

There is more evidence for God, the life and miracles of Jesus, and the archaeology and historical veracity of the Bible than the lives of the emperors of Rome.

but don’t let that change your mind at all

Indeed. Thor is widely recognized for his actions against the scourge of ice giants. Thanks be to Thor.

simple+mind= simple minded
simple+stupid= simply stupid
As you read remember you have eyes, to see, the next time you think remember you have a brain, to think, the next time you are dead remember your spirit has left and gone to hell. Don’t be so simple and stupid, you were made for much greater than you think. See and think so that when you die you will not be in hell. And your temper tantrum changes nothing.

To Buck, your book lies, bottom line, why dont you do some actual reseach
Josh McDowell is a lying scheming money grubbing apologist that is interested in playing you all for fools
Buck give me 5 things he says about a positive verdict about the existence of god and Ill show you the debunking of it

LOL!

Wonder what Moochelle carries – a cheeseburger?

Really, you Christian Nazi? Is this really Shirley Phelps Roper under a false name? You condemn me to hell because I have an opinion that doesn’t match yours? Go back to pleasuring yourself with that burro and never speak to your betters like that again. TOOTSIE.

If the lid on that casket doesn’t hold, you’ll be present with the worms, too.—Reality

It’s amazing how many people don’t know that Stalin was a believer to the end. Just because he demanded that his people had no gods before him, doesn’t mean he didn’t have any of his own.

THANK YOU, Jebus!!!

so your not knowing is akin to it not being so? Methinks you hold a higher opinion of yourself and your misguided sense of logic than anyone else ever will.

good post andy. Thor rules btw

You need a serious English lesson, I don’t even know what you’re trying to say…

I agree JJ, someone needs to write the King Thor’s Version of the Bible lol