People know. It’s the Santa Claus name they forget. The Saintly Clause, as in good will towards men. Fact is Santa Claus is alive and well. It’s up to us to keep it that way.

Those who find the need to make a public denial out of Santa Claus exhibit the hatred within themselves. Try to show them the true meaning of the Saintly Clause and they’ll recoil within their hate. It will take a lot of effort for someone so inclined to try to help them. They crave the attention their hated brings them. Without it they feel diminished and insignificant.

John Campbell: Well said!!!! Thank you

The Eastern Orthodox Christians do not have ‘cultural Santa Claus” like the west does giving toys and such on Christmas. They have St Nicholas Day on Dec 6. for that event. In fact most of Eastern Orthodox do not even have a traditional Christmas tree.

East is east, Conrad, and West is west, and even though the twain meet occasionally nowadays, they don’t mix very well. As a well-adjusted product of Western Civilization, American-style, I strongly favor preserving it. And I don’t care if it doesn’t meet with approval of Muslims, Eastern Orthodox Christians, Russians, Chinese or anybody else. The only reason voices are ever heard in opposition to the traditions of Western Civilization is because one of those traditions is to allow them to speak freely. In their world, anything in opposition is suppressed or silenced completely. That makes THEM the bigots, not us.

So what??

Great that he is Christian.

We would NOT have an American nation without Christianity. Do you realize that?

The founding fathers, 80%, were devout Christians.

The First Amendment to the Constitution has been perverted to the point where it now enforces it’s OPPOSITE intention, to wit, allow the free exercise of religion.

By the way, I am NOT a Christian. Do not attend church. And take no side for any religion. I am educated however, and facts are facts. Christianity was woven into the pattern of America’s founding. (Along with the Old Testament’s teachings, which are the core of the Jewish faith.). And without it there would not have been a United States of America.

Bill – at best, Santa Claus (aka Saint Nicholas) is mythical character based on several different real and mythical characters. He certainly does not wholly represent the actual saint you refer too, and I would argue the one they’re talking about in this article, in his red suit, stories about elves in their workshop in the North Pole, and 9 reindeer, bears very little resemblance to that Saint…

flashman1854 – please reveal your “facts”, especially the one about 80% of our founding fathers were devout Christians. Even if you remove the word devout and include people who only go to church at Easter in the “Christians” bucket, you’re going to have a hard time putting 80% of our founding fathers in that bucket. Based on your comments, you should start your education with Thomas Jefferson who was by and large the main contributor to the Declaration of Independence, openly critical of contemporary Christian churches, and heavily criticized much of their doctrine. You can start here: http://bit.ly/tVWHf1

Thomas Jefferson was a Deist. To clarify, Deists believe in the existence of God, on purely rational grounds, without any reliance on revealed religion or religious authority or holy text. Not all of our Founding Fathers were Christians–or Jews. They all, however,did share a belief in God.

Dark Space,

You’re mistaken. In reality, 52 of the 55 Founding Fathers were members of mainstream churches. Moreover, there are copious examples of statements made by them in which they attest to their faith. One well-know one is, “Our Constitution was made for a moral and religious people; it is wholly unfit for the governing of any other.” — John Adams, second president of these United States

Don’t twist my words, I didn’t say anyone was godless. I would imagine that you would be hard pressed to find an Atheist in 18th century America. However, to imply that they were either “devout” or serious members of “mainstream churches” is blatantly incorrect and disagrees with all the historical facts. The vast majority, to mommaroo’s point, were Deists and believed in God, but most disagreed with mainstream churches and the leadership structure within the churches.

Further, I would have a hard time assigning the word “devout Christian” to any of them. I assume your definition of this would be the same as most people’s, that a devout Christian is a true believer in J.C. and lives their life to the highest Christian standards… A) Let’s just stick with the 7 founding fathers everyone agrees on – I don’t think any one of them meet both those criteria, and most do not meet either one. Its hilarious you chose a quote from John Adams to support your incorrect statement that “52 of the 55 Founding Fathers were members of mainstream churches”. You really should pick up a book and read about the guy. He was a member of the Unitarian Church, and at least during his presidency regularly attended services – but he also very openly scorned all the more mainstream churches (Baptists, Presbyterian, Catholic, etc.) stating that they would not consider him a “Christian” anymore than he considered them true “Christians”.

Sorry, Dark, but as Daniel Moynihan once said, “You’re entitled to your own opinions, but you’re not entitled to your own facts.” Of the 55 Founding Fathers who worked on the Constitution, 52 were members of mainstream Christian churches. And while Deism was bigger then than it is today, to claim that the majority of them were Deists is utterly ridiculous. It was always a minority beliefs. From Wikipedia:

“Deism was a religious philosophy in common currency in colonial times, and some Founding Fathers (most notably Thomas Paine, who was an explicit proponent of it, and Benjamin Franklin, who spoke of it in his Autobiography) are identified more or less with this system. Nevertheless, several early presidents are sometimes identified as holding deist tenets, though there is no president who identified himself as a deist. Although George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, James Monroe, and John Tyler are often identified as having some degree of deistic beliefs,[6] most of these identifications are controversial;[citation needed] Washington in particular maintained a life-long pattern of church membership and attendance, and there is conflicting testimony from those who knew him.”

I doubt Moynihan envisioned that someone would use his line to support fact-gathering from Google and Wikipedia. Best of luck to you in all your endeavors though.

So where do you get your facts? From thin air?

But your response is a tacit admission of defeat. It’s just too bad you’re not man enough to admit error explicitly.

Sure, I’ll bite. I read books.

I don’t think you and I are even having the same discussion, but we obviously disagree about what the basic facts are, so… I’m out. I wouldn’t call it defeat – I still think you’re completely off base, I’m just not interested in spending more time discussing it with you. Good luck spreading your version of history.

I’m just glad Santa is back!

Who gives a rat fart. It’s really Krismas named after Kris Kringle, and I’m really PO’d they took the Kris out of Krismas.

The Druids didn’t let anyone in. Patrick came in and called down fire on their clover worshipping rears.

Of course, the trouble is, even that eludes them. ;P

Actually, that wouldn’t work in this case – they need to actually understand grammar because Word wouldn’t catch that kind of error.

Not even a green squiggly line.

Barbara,

I know my brother. He is an atheist who looks down on people of faith and reserves special hatred for Christianity.

This is why he kicked me in the womb. I believed in God, but he didn’t, even though we had just come from God shortly before.

But he’s always had a terrible memory, which is why he talks about 57 states.

He is not an atheist. He is a faithful servant of allah and always will be…..(lower case intended!)

Atheist… who cares? Your creator cares…and though you may not acknowledge and love God, he loves you…that’s why there is Christmas. John 3:16 says “For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son” It means to me, “For God so loves the world that he gave us Christmas”….And atheists, DO NOT lecture me with your pseudo intellectualism. I’ve heard ALL of your rhetoric….What will you say on your deathbed? “Accountant, have mercy on my soul”, “greed and banker, have mercy on my soul”, “college professor, have mercy on my soul”.”No, you will say, Lord, have mercy on my soul”. You don’t believe? You don’t believe yet, you just haven’t gotten into your foxhole!

The celebration on 12/25 was originally pagan. You guys are celebrating a pagan hioliday. Don’t you feel stupid? Jesus was born no where near 12/25 because that would be winter and shepherds wouldn’t be standing by their sheep after dusk. Suzanne, when I die, i’ll just die. I won’t be praying to some make believe character to allow me entry into some make believe place for eternity. If I did, I’d be praying to the one giving me access to 72 virgins.

Actually, if the Muslims succeed in getting sharia law accepted in this country (and they are trying) women will be worse than slaves. I joined a group called Women for Women International, which helps poor women from Muslim countries to start businesses; the group has to get permission not only from the woman’s husband, but from the village leaders, as well, just to give a woman a couple of goats. And the many reports of disfigurement and death at the hands of husbands would curl your hair.

FB,

Here is usually the difference: An illegal immigrant is an unassimilable Third Worlder who comes here without the official sanction of the US government.

A llegal immigrant is an unassimilable Third Worlder who comes here with the official sanction of the US government.

Both usually vote for socialists upon being naturalized.

Both usually have no use for our traditions.

You were saying?